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Monday, December 22, 2025

Eternal Conscious torment vs. Annihilation

            I learned growing up that certain cults believed in soul annihilation, and we as Christians believe in the lake of fire for eternity so when someone like Kirk Cameron went public saying he doesn't believe in eternal conscious torment (ECT), I would have reacted like so many saying, "Heretic!" Over the last few years, I came across some teachings by Skye Jethani which I wanted to try to summarize on his case for annihilation after a time of punishment. I'm not saying he's right and ECT is wrong, but I do see that there is a good case for it and it isn't heretical. I probably won't footnote or put quotation marks; just assume everything I say is what Skye Jethani said.

1. The apostles didn't teach it in their sermons - In Acts there are 6 presentations of the gospel,


and none had teaching about avoiding Hell. Modern evangelism especially in the Baptist Church where I go generally includes this in the evangelism package. Judgement for sins was mentioned 3 times but nothing specifically." It is not faithful to the Bible to dismiss judgement because of our cultural discomfort with it, but it is equally unfaithful to overemphasize a medieval caricature of Hell, one that was unknown to the first evangelists in the New Testament". I'm putting quotation marks on that because I don't think he has made a case that it was "unknown" to the apostles. I also see that when someone is trying to make their case, they always go back to what did the earliest believers believed. The problem with that is establishing what they believed with certainty is difficult when it was 2000 years ago. He is about to do it again on the next point.


2. The eternal soul - The ancient Hebrews had no concept of an eternal soul. So where did this assumption come from? The Greek philosopher Plato made a strong distinction between material and spiritual and argued that every soul lived on after the body died. The second century Church leader Tertullian. He said, "Some things are known even by nature, the immortality of the soul. I may use the opinion of Plato when he declares, 'every soul is immortal.'" Tertullian simply assumed the immortality of the soul because Plato's views were so widely held. It was Tertullian who first affirmed that the torments of the lost will be co-equal and co-exist with the happiness of the saved. It necessitated interpreting verse like "The wages of sin is death" as "the wages of sin is eternal misery and never-ending torture with perpetual dying but never dead."

        Could it be that those who are saved are granted immortality and those who aren't - death?


3. Gehenna - Once again going back 2000 years, the most common word translated as "hell" was Gehenna, which wasn't a theological concept but rather a literal place familiar to 1st century Judeans. It was a narrow valley South of Jerusalem that served as the city's garbage dump and was associated with evil. This is where children were sacrificed to Molech and where all those believed to be cursed of God - criminals, sinners, and rebels were cast out and destroyed. To consume the waste, a fire burned 24/7. Jesus taught people to turn from evil and live in alignment with God's kingdom which had arrived through Jesus on Earth. His preaching was concerned about how we live right now either as part of God/'s kingdom or rebels against it. Those committed to selfishness, greed, lust, anger, jealousy, division, violence, arrogance, and everything else opposed to God will be of no use in His kingdom and fit only to be thrown out like the trash.


4. Hell - From what we would gather so far, souls aren't created immortal, they are given immortality upon salvation and those who die without Christ, head to Gehenna the garbage dump of souls for obliteration. The problem with this is that Hell is a literal place like Gehenna was. Is hell empty? One Jewish source from the first century spoke about the wicked existing "in darkness and a place of destruction where they will melt away" implying the possibility that some will melt toward death more quickly than others. Since the Bible clearly says, "God will repay according to what they have done" (Ps.62:12,Prov 24:12, Rom.2:6) and Jesus alludes to different degrees of judgement for the wicked (Matt.11:24) , could it be that hell is a place where punishment is doled out until the souls are annihilated once and for all? Does this mean that God temporarily gives unregenerate souls life after death? it would appear so if you follow this line of reasoning.


5. Substitutionary Atonement/ Double Imputation - "God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God." 2Cor. 5:21 Christians believe our sins were given to or imputed to Christ on the cross who paid their penalty because "the wages of sin is death" Rom.6:23. Then Christ's righteousness is given or imputed to us so that we may stand innocent before God. The punishment we deserve for evil is death (Gen 2:17, Ezek.18:20, Rom.6:23) and this is precisely the punishment Jesus accepted on our behalf through the cross. If we believe in ECT, wouldn't Jesus have had to endure eternal torture on the cross? Instead, He died for our sins once and for all. Jesus had to take on Himself on the cross the exact penalty we deserve for our sins, or the concept of substitutionary atonement or double imputation does not work.


6. Undying worms -

 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where

“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
    and the fire is not quenched.’

 Everyone will be salted with fire. “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” Mark 9:43-48, Isa 66:24

      ECT advocates would say that these passages would assume that God's enemies have been given a body fit for unending punishment but is that really what the Biblical text is saying? Rather it identifies the worms and fire as being eternal rather than the souls or bodies who have already been judged and punished and are dead and being consumed.


7.  unquenchable/eternal fire - "Eternal fire" is mentioned three times in the New Testament but never are the occupants of Hell described as being eternal, just the fire. The example often used for ECT is the account of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19 and mentioned in Jude 7 and 2Peter 2:6;

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."" He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly."

But when we look closer at this account, we see that fire entirely destroyed the people, it didn't subject them to endless torture. Jude and Peter both use Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction by fire as "examples" of what happen to the wicked.


8. Objections;

   A.   "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.  But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Rev.20:10,14,15, 21:8

       First of all, it says the devil, beast, and false prophet will be tormented forever and ever; it never specifically says all unrighteous will also be. Second, death and hades will be thrown in the lake of fire. Will death be tormented forever? How does that work? It seems symbolic so if it is, can we say the part right above it isn't? Lastly, the Lake of Fire is twice identified as "the second death." It symbolizes the final elimination of things. With this detail we can make sense of death and hades being thrown into the Lake of Fire. It symbolizes what Paul also said - that Christ would defeat every enemy and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. (1Cor.15:26) In other words the symbolic lake of fire in Revelation is where everything and everyone opposed to God are finally and utterly destroyed.

B. "To sin against an infinitely glorious being is an infinitely heinous offense that is worthy of an infinitely heinous punishment." The main problem with this justification of the justice of ECT is that scripture argues against the logic that the punishment should fit the victim not the punishment should fit the crime. One of the great contributions of the Old Testament law was its impartiality. Repeatedly God commands His law and consequences be applied equally to the rich and poor, citizens and foreigners, powerful and powerless. According to God's law, mistreating an immigrant is not less sinful than mistreating your countrymen and murdering a nobleman is not a greater offense to God than murdering a servant. Neither the identity of the perpetrator nor the victim of the crime should determine the punishment.

C.  This argument for eternal torture requires us to embrace a vision of God that simply does not align with what we see in scripture and certainly not what we see in Jesus. It presents us with a God who takes pleasure in and is glorified through the eternal torture of His own creatures. And if you are reformed and believe in double predestination, you have to believe that He created the majority of His creatures to eternally suffer in Hell without a chance of Salvation. The God of the Bible is the exact opposite of the one who gets joy from the suffering of others. The God of the Bible gets joy from suffering for others.


                                           My thoughts

       A number of prominent Christian theologians, including J.I.Packer don't believe in ECT. I think there is a good case to be made for both and even though there is a knee-jerk response to label annihilationism heresy because of its association with certain cults or para-Christian organizations, I think we have to view this issue as a non-essential. The fact is that God will judge the wicked and both ECT and Annihilationism fulfill that. The amount of abuse that Kirk Cameron got for his post where he said he didn't believe in ECT was shameful to the body of Christ.

     I believe in the immortality of the Soul. When you look at the Rich man and Lazarus or even Isa. 14, you see fallen, unrighteous souls alive after death. Then if you think of a time of punishment for sins committed before annihilation, you also have to have unrighteous souls being granted life after death temporarily. Why not just believe that all souls are immortal. Makes things a lot clearer.

      Lastly, it's nice to have this argument in your back pocket for witnessing. When confronted with the objection like "I can't believe in a God who tortures people forever who don't bow the knee to Him", it's nice to say, "A lot of good Christians don't believe God does that, either."

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